Best HTML program

[Don Soporno]

I need some opinions on HTML software. What do you use for HTML coding and what program can you recommend

[venturi]

http://www.ultraedit.com - been using it for going on 10yrs

[Don Soporno]

Originally posted by venturi
http://www.ultraedit.com - been using it for going on 10yrs


Whats up dude, long time no see. I will check out ultra edit and see if they provide what I want. Thanks

[Gruntled]

I've been using UltraEdit for about 8 years now. I use it for all my coding, whether in HTML, Perl, Java, etc. etc. It's great.

[l3vi]

Dreamweaver by Micromedia. I dont remember how long I have been using it.. At one time it was called ColdFusion by another company, then Micromedia baught it out and called it Dreamweaver, and then developed what we know now as Coldfusion for servers out of its old name.

I would not let the price turn you away, just try the trial version and go with it from their.

[monaro]

Originally posted by Don Soporno
I need some opinions on HTML software. What do you use for HTML coding and what program can you recommend


G'day Don.. Notepad has worked well 10 years ago and notepad is still working today.


Have a great day!

[XXXPhoto]

Ditto on notepad... it's an upgrade from PICO... lmao... however, ultraedit is a good solid program if you need a spellchecker or want an onboard s/r feature and ftp management ...

[tina]

i have been using macromedia dreamweaver for long time and i think it is the best!!

:bonk:

[Nano]

Originally posted by tina
i have been using macromedia dreamweaver for long time and i think it is the best!!

:bonk:

Dreamweaver is actually for who doesn't want to edit any code :)

I've always used HomeSite but I'd use UltraEdit too.

[sweet7]

I'd say Dreamweaver is the best as far as GUI's go but nothing beats text editors!

[l3vi]

I stay in code mode 99% of the time, as I am a back end application develop. Notepad does not auto recognize the tags your writing, and it does not check your CSS for layout. If you like to produce less code, and more time checking layout after uploading the scrip then use notepad.

If your writing back end processes, DW gives you the option to use it like a colored notepad, and will auto fill tags as you write then( If you choose that option), thus you’re a faster develop.

If you writing the front end, DW will show you the layout, check browser compatibility. Let me see you write a image map, design drop-down menus, and perform layout with CSS in a notepad, then having to upload it or view it from your hard drive. You would be scratching your head all day getting things in place, moving pix point, etc. While the DW developer would be finishing the project and working on SEO.

To say DW is for those who don’t want to write code, is like saying those who use the phone compared to the telegraph don’t want to type out their words.

I don’t know any developers(That work for someone) that would dare use notepad to start an finish a project, their pride would get them fired for not getting the job done.

Most people think DW is like Frontpage; putting in bad code where you don’t want it, unable to type out your code, etc. But its not, it was developed for developers in mind.

DW MX 04 supports over 35 deferent languages, and will color code, checking browser compatibility and more.

IMOA :D

[Evil Chris]

I'd also give a nod to Dreamweaver. I've been using it ever since I stopped using Frontpage 98 quite a long time ago.

[Gruntled]

I'd recommend Deamweaver 100 times before Frontpage. IT's a very robust tool, and I keep an updated license for it. It generates very clean code, which just doesn't happen with other WYSIWYG web editors.

I use Ultraedit when I'm developing pages or sites for myself, though, and Dreamweaver for quick and dirty layouts that I revisit later with the programmer's editor.

[Don Soporno]

I have been using coffee cup for a couple years now. Can anyone compare the differences in dreamweaver and coffee cup? There has to be someone here who has used them both.

[XXXPhoto]

l3vi

I disagree with your assertion that can't do things with notepad quickly. If you know what you are doing you don't have to check your code but once when you are finished to ensure all is purty.

With notepad and a simple s/r proggy I've made 16,000 unique thumbnail gallery templates with zoned CSS in about 4 hours... don't underestimate what can be done with it.

[kaktusan]

:bonk: The best design software is the notepad! No other comments! :D :D
When you know html, you write it fast by hand and no need of that automated software to see what you are doing and putting tons of unused html in your pages..

[James_Cash]

I personally like html toolkit: http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

been using it for a long time.

I also really like FileZilla for uploading etc.

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[James_Cash]

I'd also like to mention that I've never met a developer who works in notepad. Let's be serious.

Walking is a great form of transportation, but hell if I'm going to walk to Florida.

Use the right tools for the job.

[kaktusan]

James_Cash , yea you are right..actually i am not using notepad, i using Kate, because it can open multiple files in one window and i am working
under freebsd os at my pc :)
but that's nothing more than a simple text editor..

[dokk]

Looking through job requirements for mainstream webmaster related jobs, dreamweaver comes up again and again as one of the "must have" skills they are looking for. I've been a keen observer of adult/non-adult webmaster job requirements and the non adult guys have nutty long lists of usually a dozen different software packages they want you to know along with a working knowledge of javascript and action code. Most of them wanted you to know every Adobe package as well.. I would very much like to know myself but no idea how anyone can be proficient with a suite of a dozen different heavy duty software packages.. just 1 seems hard enough. ;-)

[l3vi]

Originally posted by James_Cash
I'd also like to mention that I've never met a developer who works in notepad. Let's be serious.

Walking is a great form of transportation, but hell if I'm going to walk to Florida.

Use the right tools for the job.


Right on!


Originally posted by XXXPhoto
l3vi

I disagree with your assertion that can't do things with notepad quickly. If you know what you are doing you don't have to check your code but once when you are finished to ensure all is purty.

With notepad and a simple s/r proggy I've made 16,000 unique thumbnail gallery templates with zoned CSS in about 4 hours... don't underestimate what can be done with it.

No offence man, but at the age of 7 I could have pumped out that in my sleep with notepad, kate, or vi. Gallery templates are easy as making a tables, there is nothing to it.

I do agree that the notepad or whatever you are using will do for quicky jobs, but I would never take the time to build DB driven site(s) with one, or an advanced design for SEO.

How long would it take you to make a form(with notepad or whatnot) and have it self post, and input it into a DB, as well as email it to your self with send mail?

It would take you more then 5min to write that out with any 'text editor', as for more advanced software like DW you would have it done time you got to this point of reading this paragraph.

The point of DW is to help you get the job done faster when you need it.

This is just like the same debate over hand submitting or using a auto-submitter.

You can spend an hours typing in the urls, and other information just hand submitting to TPGS, or your could use a auto-submitter that will fill in the form and let you hit submit, and take you onto the next TGP?

The answer is clear as James_Cash post!
:D

[l3vi]

Originally posted by dokk
I would very much like to know myself but no idea how anyone can be proficient with a suite of a dozen different heavy duty software packages.. just 1 seems hard enough. ;-)

It grows on you man! :)

I have been programming for almost 19 years now. As you move from project-to-project you pickup new stuff.

I find in the open market employers love to push the limits of software and their programmers, so as time goes on you have to learn new tricks to get what they want done before someone else does.

It also has to do with what you specialize in, I my self work with a lot of network, DB, drive sites and companies. So my skills fall into all forms of html, perl, php, asp, sql, ect...

Do I know how to work with everything? No, But I know most things don’t change is style and a quick read will get me the job, and get me on my way of getting it done.

Its like a video game, how many have you played in your life, and how many are you good at? You did not learn them all at once, you played each one and learned all you wanted about each one, and thus that makes you know how that game(packet) works! :)

[tuca]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto
I disagree with your assertion that can't do things with notepad quickly. If you know what you are doing you don't have to check your code but once when you are finished to ensure all is purty.

True, if you know your coding very well and type really fast, you sure can do it quickly. Even if you're lighting fast, wich one is the fastest : clicking 2 or 3 buttons OR writing a few lines of codes ?

16.000 galleries in 4 hours, very nice. You lost what though ? 2 hours, 3 maybe ? ;)

[l3vi]

Originally posted by tuca
True, if you know your coding very well and type really fast, you sure can do it quickly. Even if you're lighting fast, wich one is the fastest : clicking 2 or 3 buttons OR writing a few lines of codes ?

16.000 galleries in 4 hours, very nice. You lost what though ? 2 hours, 3 maybe ? ;)

Why use the full GUI when you can just use the autofill option while you type! :)

[XXXPhoto]

Originally posted by l3vi
Right on!

No offence man, but at the age of 7 I could have pumped out that in my sleep with notepad, kate, or vi. Gallery templates are easy as making a tables, there is nothing to it.

I do agree that the notepad or whatever you are using will do for quicky jobs, but I would never take the time to build DB driven site(s) with one, or an advanced design for SEO.

How long would it take you to make a form(with notepad or whatnot) and have it self post, and input it into a DB, as well as email it to your self with send mail?

It would take you more then 5min to write that out with any 'text editor', as for more advanced software like DW you would have it done time you got to this point of reading this paragraph.

The point of DW is to help you get the job done faster when you need it.

This is just like the same debate over hand submitting or using a auto-submitter.

You can spend an hours typing in the urls, and other information just hand submitting to TPGS, or your could use a auto-submitter that will fill in the form and let you hit submit, and take you onto the next TGP?

The answer is clear as James_Cash post!
:D

If you could do that at 7 then I'm sorry your life's course went awry... I dare say knocking out a living on adult net isn't the best application of such advanced skillset. To each their own.

I also am not a programmer, nor have I ever claimed to be one. I format html pages... several rungs below whipping out an .exe or even doing some fancy php dancing to get a board such as this built. Other webmasters might feel html coding is programing, I am not one of them. What I do is more akin to formating a word document with markup languange than it is programing. Hence, I prefer notepad as it's quickest route for me.

Yes, I could have arrayed that thumbnail matrix and had the server doing the work for me; however, with a little extra work I now have static pages I can group, tweak and .zip til my heart is content to use for my own purposes or package and sell to other webmasters who need actual .html's for building mass galleries and se fodder. Typing in modular format and building things in an exponential fashion is just one way to improve speed of knocking things out in notepad but few webmasters have picked up on this, thus there is a market for building blocks such as I make. It doesn't matter really that your methods can be faster than mine. To me it matters that mine is faster than my clients and it is that utility they are purchasing.

As for the auto-submits, yes it's a timesaver; but only for those that will take autosubmits. Same with auto search engine submits; there is a time and place for them and there is a time an place that doing it by hand will yield greater returns...

[l3vi]

I agree with you on that, except the life awry thing, lol! :D

modular format is a good way to develop things, I ever so hate working on old projects that have no mods to them.

My only point that some people where busting on DW as if it was another FrontPage, thus lacking the quality of such things as notepad, and real developers use only text editors to do their thing. You can use DW as a notepad with colored text, and let the system auto guess at your tags as you write them. Just another way to step up the process of the old pad.


:p

[XXXPhoto]

... glad you spotted the dry humor as it was intended... ;)

For me, the auto complete and colors are very distracting. I watch what I'm typing and if something jumps ahead it throws off my typing rythmn. The colors just mess me up as well, 2 colors is just my speed...lol

Not sure how others code, but I first make a mockup in graphics ed (I prefer PSP to PS but that's just my pref). I then break down in my head what the best way (shortest/fastest rendering) to go about getting a browser to render that page.

Where can I used bgcolors or background images in cells or tables to create layer effects, where should I chop things to get beveled edges, what areas can be tiled so only need to be few pixels wide, how should I bust the tables up for slower connections to render adverts prior to content (or vice versa is that is needed)... you get the idea...

Once I do that I might actually type one or two basic table elements but from there on it's much more cutting/pasting and tweaking than it is actually typing out brand new html. My left-hand pinkie knows right where that ctrl key is for the fast z,x,c and v combos and that's much quicker than a shift+, or shift+.

Using a modular type building method like this combined with a standardize formating (none of that tab spacing crap) will make syntax similar across sites, help with 'reading' code and go long way in helping maximize search/replace tweaking down the road when you want to use one site as springboard for building another.

Much of this isn't based on what editor one uses, but rather just practicing good work/coding habits IMO. Can still hear my HS basic teacher admonishing "That's poor programing class, poor programing" when someone buggered code on those 'trash80s'... lol

[venturi]

One of the most underused and powerful features of ultraedit is it's "template" functionality - I say template because that's not really what it is. You can paste into an HTML/PHP/Perl/Whatever file snippets of code and seriously decrease your time to getting to market with your site(s). WYSIWYG editors are great, don't get me wrong, but with rare exception I've yet to find anyone that can churn out a gallery or freesite using one faster than I can with UltraEdit - and I know that what I build will be HTML 4.0 compliant. :)

Dreamweaver is cool in the hands of capable people. It "can" generate really clean code and make use of CSS like it should - but I see stuff everyday generated by DW that makes FrontPage sites look like masterpieces.

Yes, I'm a purist and rather opinionated. I believe that by building quality HTML pages that you benefit long term with your sites. SE's can spider it more easily; LL & TGP validators have less crap to filter thru; in the end what you "build, submit and forget" will end up having a longer shelflife of productivity towards your bottom line. But that's just my opinion. :)