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I thought it was a great show!
I prefer the shows with no booths. It allows us all to walk around and talk to each other, without all the bells and whistles that do nothing but distract us from the real purpose of being there. That's nothing against booths, but let's keep the booths to two big shows a year. JFK: Actually, he's correct about the company names. I know my company wasn't on my badge. But no big deal... I didn't think to write it, but I did tell everybody I spoke to my company name, and gave them my card. That fixed that problem. As for the drinks, surely we can all afford a few drinks. In fact, I kind of enjoyed the opportunity to buy a few people drinks. It means more when you pay for it. Maybe that's just me. Seminars: Wow. I've never really gotten a whole lot out of seminars... not to say they've been useless, but I've just personally never gotten much out of them. This time I thought they were excellent. I left every seminar with a ton of ideas, and I've been in about every sector of this industry over my seven years in the business. They may have been presented in a form that newbies could follow, but they definitely weren't exclusively for newbies. Networking: As said above, you get out of it what you put in. I'm actually a very introverted person (luckily not shy, but definitely a thinker more than a talker). But when I go to shows, I'm sure to introduce myself to every person who comes within three feet of me. Nobody is going to come near me and walk away without knowing who I work for. If you make that a rule, you'll never leave a show empty-handed. People in this industry are some of the nicest people in the world when you see them in person, and once you meet one, they'll introduce you to others. And as for distributing letters... man, what a way to lose friends. I'm really sorry you did that. Personally, I think an apology is in order. Another little insight about this industry - we're all suckers for a good apology. |
Wanted to let everyone know that the trip home was uneventful (the airport wheelchair really helped) Hit the hospital emergency room as soon as getting off the plane & should be able to drive the rest of the way home tomorrow......
I haven't really decided whether to reply to all this critism or not. But I know it would not be appropriate while taking the drugs.... But........... you know there is a line on the registration form where people put in whatever they want on their badges..... we just print them off - we don't tell them what to say!:confused: |
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Hey Sharpie... for the record, I had no criticism at all. Greg put in the info in the form, so if the lack of a company name was the result of an incomplete form, then that's Greg's ass next time I see him!!
But seriously, that was no big deal... it's not even worth mentioning. It's trivial, and I'm mystified by the fact that somebody would go out of their way to complain about it. But... that's just my opinion. Just to reiterate, it ranked among the best shows I've been to, on a number of levels. Excellent job putting it together. |
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Hope you feel better and keep in touch. Great show with loads of interesting and fun event that made a great bunch of people get to know each other older friends to get together again and Party, laugh and BOND. Now that's what I call a success BABY |
company names on the badges
my simple, yet quite effective solution was to place my business card where as the company name appeared under my name.....
Faye, hope all is well with you, and congrads to you and Dave on a great show! |
Well, to end this badge name discussion, I just checked the records to see if we goofed.
Here is what I found: Stu and Daniel signed up online on may 25th and what did they ask for on the badge name line? Drum Roll pleae :-) nadda , zip, nothing - they left it blank - DUH! in case of a blank it defaults to their name. So, wonder why their company name wasn't on THEIR badge. :bonk: |
what astounds me is the distribution of these letters at a party. :confused:
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First .. Sorry I'm late on this thread .. But seems Like I'm one of the only guys that kept the party going till Monday night ..LOL
I knew about this letter before it was written .. and there are a few points I agree with .. the main one being the cover charge .. 125 OR 150 For a none show floor convention is a little high .. and yes the badges could of been better .. Also the organisation of the parties should of been better prepared way too many people had no idea what parties were on ... Other then that the networking rocked! Those of us that went there to network, create new bussiness relationships and meet up with old friends did fuck awsome .. so in conclusion .. I don't hold any grudges against Daniel (for those of you that don't know he supplied the bulk of the girls at the gamma/Peternorth Party) Daniel is a bussiness man and likes to get the most out of his dollar ... And Last I looked we lived in a free country where freedom of speech is supported not shunned upon .. If you have something to say, just say it ... It not keep your mouth shut and live with the fact that no one will ever know ... Proud to be to live in a sociaty that allows for freedom of speech !!! |
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Nice pics Barry... it's funny but in the last few pictures, you notice people partying still, and the sun has been up already for at least an hour. :D
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Vid..... a little cooperation goes a LONG WAY.
And that pisses me off. How can I publicize a damn party when NO ONE BOTHERS to inform me.? Someone from Gamma sent us email on June 4th while at the show asking us to help them publisize the G-string party. They changed the date of the party the next day. We asked them to bring some flyers and we would give them out - WE did. Others chose to make them private so they can control the numbers. We publisized everything we knew about . As for the Platinum Bucks suite they were trying to find a bigger room, and never did give us the suite number, even after numerous requests. The National Net party was put together the day of the party - that is how Tony does things. Everything that we knew about was posted on the site the months previous to the show and later again on the show daily that was picked up on a regular bases by most of the attendees. The cigar party was a last minute thing done by Chris for XNations. He never ask us to help publisize it. He did it himself to his board members. I would have loved to posted more on the stie - it would have been good for the show. I can't make people do things they are not willing to do, or publize things without their permission. I will not take the blame for private parties not being made public information. I have the idea that many think we charge for this or nail them for things like Internext. We don't or never have. We go out of our way to help them make their event a success in any way we can. But it all takes a small degree of cooperation. We are not mind readers. I care about these things and lack of cooperation, but others have to take some responsibility to get me the information - IF they want me to have it. As far as the cost...... in all reality, the costs to provide the venue are more without the showroom. We had to pay for the space anyway to provide the privacy. that an event like this should have. The risks for this show were very very high with the bad economy, War, SARS, and the devaluation of the American Dollar. Anyone of those things could have sunk it on it's own. But, I did not back out just because it got HARD to pull off. It was just not as good as it could and should have been. I take 100% responsibility for my goofs - but can't take responsibility for others. Too bad the trend in this industry is to make decisions at the last minute. It leads to problems like this and stresses me out to no end, because those who know me know how very much I care! |
Thanks for that info Fay .. Your right sponcors should take the time to inform the show organisers about what they plan on doing even if they aren't ready yet .. I could just imagine the amount of people that came up to you asking what parties where goin on ... Must of been hell hun
No worries hun this show was off the hook .. many people have told me they were thrilled with the turn out and that Networking was one of they're top priorities ... Here's one quote I recieved try to see who said it .. " Montreal surpassed jamiaca, And I thought Jaimaca was the tops" Or something like that I was pretty wasted when he/she told me this ... Glad to hear your feeling better fay :) |
montreal kicks ass.
great show, great fucking show. except I'd like to go find that chef that served me the bad steak on thur. night. |
Vid, I think almost everyone in the place came up and asked me at one point or another about parties... my answer pretty much was "Platinum Bucks has a suite in the hotel, 2818 or 24 something... I don't know" and "Tonight's party that we know about is..."
Had the party sponsors been a little more proactive in letting everyone know what was going on, they would have had more info posted on the website, distributed at the show, whatever. Parties are cool, the companies that decide to sponsor them are cool, and the show tries it's damndest to make sure everyone knows about the events as they happen. Vid, until you have tried to do one of these things, you haven't seen what an honest to goodness clusterfuck it can turn into as people change plans, places, and situations, and don't let anyone know until the last minute. Because people are often somewhat out of communication, it is hard to spread the word on changes. The webmaster tour was well communicated, early in the going, and was well attended and VERY MUCH appreciated by everyone who went out on it. Other events were put together at the last minute, and results varied. I am sure that any event that was set up and communicated to Fay would have made the website and everyone would have known about it. Even with "last minute" we pulled some things off, like getting space set aside and stuff for Guru & Brandy's wedding. There are always things that could be better, and it is always a learning experience. The lack of booths at the show reflects the industry adjusting the economic times, not wanting to mess with the border, and generally prefering to do more social / instructional stuff and less "big dicking" on booths. I would need both hands and both feet to count the companies that have big dicked booths in the last 2 years at shows only to disappear out of business... Less and less companies are willing to spend to show, and are more than willing to send the right people, mingle, and make the business deals in social settings and seminar rooms. Get use to it, the business is going this way in the US. Europe, well, that is a whole other situation... :-) Alex |
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Even if you are from Montreal, the networking possibility was there on the Webmaster Tour. All you had to do was sit down next to the webmaster you wanted to corner and pick his brain from stop to stop ! Next time :) |
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The Spread4U crew had a great time. As sponsors of the show, we did get our monies worth and found it to be a great networking opportunity. I believe that shows like this provide me with a better opporunity to do business than the larger ones. I know that I'm looking forward to returning to Montreal next year.
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First off 12clicks get your thumb out of your ass .. seems like all you like to do lately is stir shit up .. read my posts and maybe get to know me before you run off at the mouth or Keyboards as it might be .. I haven't side with anyone, I sided with free speech .. basicly Bringing home the point that the Internet and/or boards are the place for it .. some people use it to bitch others use it to there advantage, either to network or research ...
RawAlex .. Read my last post to Fay and you'll see (or better yet just ask her) that I have been pushing this show from day one, And that I had nothing Bad to say other the obvious. I do Appreciate all the work and heart ack that goes into a putting a show together ... Do your research and you''ll learn that I have put shows together .. hell I helped put on together just over a month ago in toronto .. We had much more problems with sars, a bad hotel, way too many cancellations and well in my honest opionion the worst date we could of chosen (still don't understand how that one got past us ... So Please guys before you let your emotions run away with you. Please take the time to see whom your attacking. I beleive in fair play and hard work ... If you have something to say about that then go ahead .. but stop looking for someone to point the finger at, remember there is always 3 fingers pointing right back at you. |
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MisterX said: In closing I will point out that the large majority of positive comments about this show were about the parties and the great people who attended the show. ---------------------------- Business is 90% human factor. ---------------------------- MisterX said: In my honest opinion it seems that, except for booking the hotel and delegating tasks to other people, Tradeshow Productions did little or nothing to earn what they charged people. ---------------------------- Of the 9 girls that the outfit I worked for hired from Eromodel, at least 8 were of the same opinion concerning the fee Eromodel charged. Yet, the referral fee was only a modest part of their wages (typically 10%). And all of these were eager to bypass the agent (Daniel) whenever possible. Some of them are still listed on Eromodel site, some others are not anymore. My point is that it's all a matter of perspective. It's always easier to conclude that others are "making money on our back". But ain't we are all doing it? Money is made to move. --------------------- MisterX said: Which is what that letter is all about. Tradeshow Productions organized this show for ONE reason. To make money. -------------------- May they have made a bundle ! Good for them ! -------------------- JFK said: Its the new lean and mean model of a show , as we have seen in Phoenix. No show floor, people get together for seminars and to network. As far as the seminars and round table discussions at this show, they were well organised, and professionaly presented. You do not need a show floor to do business! -------------------- I think here lies the crux of Daniel et al. recriminations. It all depends on the type of business you're operating. Daniel's running, among other ops, a model agency; he surely would have liked to display his girls in a booth... Booking twenty girls at 150$ each would have cost him 3 grands. He'd have to book girls at least thrice each at 70$ per referral to break even (taking into account his overhead). Daniel's well established. I suppose it is difficult for him to "do business" or "strike deals" due to the very nature of how a model agency operates. The concept of "deal making" hardly applies to his modus operandi, as it is difficult to do a deal on an unspecified girl. Proof is, every model agency displays a girl portfolio. You don't buy the services of the agency, you buy the referral to one model and that's that. It's very often a "cash and carry" business. A booth would have provided him with a controlled environment where he could introduce his models to the industry, while also maintaining a certain control over how the model represented his business. Furthermore, I've never met a porn model who's never toyed with the idea of going private, of bypassing her agency. In that sense, paying the fee of 20 girls and let them roam free runs the risk of becoming a loosing proposition in more than one way. It is one thing to organize an event with 20 girls in public, in a bar, with possibly some people of the industry around but mixed with the general public, and an entirely different thing to bring twenty girls in a convention where they *know* that they will be surrounded by prospective clients. The temptation to go private will probably be overwhelming. So, for all of these reasons, I can understand why the show, with it's lack of conventional structure, was not good to him. If I had been in his shoes, I'd have gotten very creative in trying to strike a special deal with the show organizers. Him being a seasoned businessman, he probably tried anyway... As far as I'm concerned, the show was fantastic to me. The contacts I made and Mark Tiara's seminars were well worth the overall 350$ that the show cost me (registration, meals, transportation, etc). |
Montreal was a blast, my first time to the Cybernet Expo and can't wait to return.
Everything turned out perfect, point is we all left Montreal meeting more new people, giving everyone that much more business. I find it hard to believe that people are actually bitching or complaining about the show. The ones that do need to glance at themselves and try to figure out what is wrong. Did I mention I got to see my favorite people again.......hint hint Vid.... xoxoxoxo |
Ok. Here are my views on this entire thread.
First of all, instead of focusing on the negative in this thread - try focusing on the positive value it may hold. MisterX criticism of the show holds some important points. 1. Drinks should not be overpriced in a place where they are not the main issue (like a bar/pub) and if fact can help people feel the show was better than it is ;) as well as help people relax and network better (unless you drink too much). Was overpricing the case? I don’t know – I wasn’t there. How much was a glass of beer? How much was wine? 2. $125 for a show where there is only a space to get together is also overpriced UNLESS that $125 included something else. I do not know since I wasn't there (I regret not being there) but if the seminars were included in that - then its fair. (The criticism about the seminars - I can not address that since I wasn't attending). Anyway - I don't know if it was right for that one, but usually you know what you get for what you are paying for in advance. That was the case for Internext. Don't know about this one because I didn't go - but wasn't there a site where you could find that out? 3. Not having name tags is a shame. It’s not a good excuse saying "you could have asked them who they were or should have known in advance" – that is pure bullshit. The whole point of a show is to meet new people – telling someone they should have known them in advance is foolish and nametags are not rocket science. Company+Name tags are an old and well known concept. I see no reason not having them. (Though some people say there were tags – so I don’t understand it. Maybe they were hard to find? Don’t know – the fact the people say there was a problem mostly proves there was one) Which brings me to the second thought - Don't reject people's criticism. You will be the only looser for that. Even if it's badly put and seems invalid - try to get the best things you can out of it. If you think the show was perfect and someone raises some points where your reaction is "I think differently and anyway - do the best with what you have" I think you are wrong. You should always strive for better (in this case show) and almost everybody's opinion - especially criticism - may hold a key for improvement. Now - as to networking opportunities. There are no rules there. Booths help and tags help. And if you are good at this and very social it helps. But even then, in the last Internext I met wonderful people in the least expected occasions. Only one example out of several, where I met wonderful people in Vegas IN SPITE the lack of tags and booths... It was in PSB's lounge party that started slow and where I attended alone without friends (which makes me less social since I am a "friends" person). First I met Meni - I had no idea it was him because in his pics he looks like a body builder ;) and in reality he is half my height ;) (that’s because I am tall. very) hehe. Anyway - not only that but ALL PSB's people wore shirts with the WRONG names. Go figure. Meni pointed FNP Dave out which proved to be a wonderful person and things went from there.. But even better was my meeting with Poppy and Laurie. I basically met them in that same occasion by chance, where we happened to ask one another "hey - whazap - who are you?" and sat to the same table together. No tags, no booths, little social readiness. Till this day, I think it was one of the finest hooking-up I had at Internext and that is even without this relation being based on immediate gain. Some people are just good to meet because they are good people at heart and as time prove sometimes - also people how its a loss not to know :D So as to booths – I have no clear opinion, just saying I see nothing wrong with them and it’s the companies who usually push to having those, not the attendees - afaik. Why don't I balance things by criticizing MisterX post and what some may think of as invalid approach? Well - I just explained it - Focus on the valuable and positive. Final word - I talked to people about that show. Many said it was great. Only think what they would say if next year it was even better if the organizers implemented some of the improvements suggested from people's criticism. Personal attacks on MisterX or Daniel are pointless and damaging to the attackers. I never saw something getting better by putting down all the criticism some had about it and trying to create a consensus about how perfect it was. Live and learn. Nothing is perfect. Embrace criticism. Anyway - thumbs up for people who move things forward and organize trade shows. Just my 2 cents. |
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The registration booth was open during show hours an very accesible, this is where the badges were available to all who wanted them. Second of all , there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, it is the manner in which this particular one was done, that has most attendees up in arms. Amen..... |
I just gotta, ya know?
XXXManager: 1) Drinks were what they were. They were not more expensive than other places in the hotel, and there were bar sponsors giving away free drink coupons during the day and such. As a matter of fact, during the opening cocktail party, the sponsor coupons all were used up and by popular demand a cash bar was ADDED - and people used it and sales were brisk. After paying $9 US in Miami for a drink, NOTHHING is expensive! 2) The show fee included networking, three days of seminars, breakout sessions, and access to "badge only" parties and events. Those seminars, far from being the usual talking head crap, actually involved getting some well informed people on different subjects to show HOW THINGS ARE DONE, including shooting and editting videos, dreamweaver, paysite design, and the like. Ynot hosted some pretty intense sessions that later were followed up by breakouts with the different people involved on the panel. Think about it, 3 days, (at even the you didn't book ahead fee of $150) is only $50 a day for seminars and training from good and well informed people. I am looking at a single 3 day "video editting" seminar in the US, and it is $400 plus misc fees. 3) Every attendee had a name tag, and the abilty to put almost anything on it. Some chose to have their names only, some chose to have their company names, some chose to have website names. Some chose to hide their badges in their pockets. Everyone had a badge. I get the impression that the letter writer would have wanted the badges to say something like: BOB SMITH SMITH COMPANY I NEED MODELS COME TALK TO ME SO I CAN MAKE YOU MONEY Besides the fact that nobody wants to wear and 8/12 by 11 piece of paper around their necks, honestly, some people just aren't trying to self promote. Some people just don't go out of their way to announce their business. In the end, there is a way to complain and a way to make your methods more important than the compaints themselves. Just as importantly, the show staff were always around the show area, and could be contacted at ANY time... all you have to do is ask. A letter handed out off site about the show just show that there was no attempt to resolve issues with show staff. Alex |
Well, most of the replies I saw here was not about how bad mannered was MisterX post, but about how irrelevant are the points he raised.
All I said is that there is great benefit in putting away the bad feelings and look into the points themselves raised by his comment. Failing to do so would not help improve the show for next time. If anyone think that the show was perfect and no one is allowed to criticise things - they are acting foolish. There are always room for improvement, especially in a show where people didn't have detailed nametags (whatever the reason and wherever the blame is - even on the atendees) and where there was no party schedule (even if the blame is on the sponsors). If Internext could pull a party list and nametags for all, it means its not impossible - even if hard. Am I blaming anyone? hell no. I only suggest that people can learn from criticism instead of taking offense. If someone tells you your site design sucks - don't tell them "Well, fuck you - others manage". Tell him "Im sad to hear it - what do you think is the problem and do you have any ideas how it could be resolved". Don't agree with me? That's your right. That was 99% of my post. the other 1% was a story I told about networking and some questions which were answered by RawAlex (Thanks man) I for one miss not being there. Next time maybe (if the points raised were implemented). |
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