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Darin 10-21-2002 08:22 PM

Do you believe in GOD?
 
Well do YOU?

ARiA 10-22-2002 10:52 AM

something on your mind or do you really want to hear everyones oppinion on the matter?
:huh:

Darin 10-22-2002 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ARiA
something on your mind or do you really want to hear everyones oppinion on the matter?
:huh:

Curious.. even more now looking at the poll results. Is god taboo or something? Why nobody is posting to this thread. Interesting.

XxXotic 10-22-2002 01:28 PM

i'm agnostic :)

Magnus3x 10-22-2002 01:38 PM

What is God ? who is God...? Ala..? Buddha? or are you talking about Christian God, Jahova's God.. one can't be so general these days. I'm sure there are alot of religious adult webmasters who will probably have to hide their occupation from the beliefs of their religion.

I am not religious.. I don't practice any form of religion or lean towards any religion. If I did I would be Buddhist and be an "enlightened one". I love sex too much though.:p

gunner 10-22-2002 03:54 PM

i know my place in hell was reserved long ago

twinkley 10-22-2002 03:57 PM

I am with Magnus on this one...

I am not a religious person, as a matter of fact, I am an anti-religious person. Religion is just another set of laws made up by fat white rich guys to get people to do what they want.... or wanted at the time.

That being said I do believe in a higher power. Call it whatever you want, God, Fate, Allah, nature.....I refuse to believe that everything happens by coincidence...

twinkley

ARiA 10-22-2002 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twinkley
I am with Magnus on this one...

I am not a religious person, as a matter of fact, I am an anti-religious person. Religion is just another set of laws made up by fat white rich guys to get people to do what they want.... or wanted at the time.

That being said I do believe in a higher power. Call it whatever you want, God, Fate, Allah, nature.....I refuse to believe that everything happens by coincidence...

twinkley

I'm with you!

:angel:

JFK 10-22-2002 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twinkley
I am with Magnus on this one...

I am not a religious person, as a matter of fact, I am an anti-religious person. Religion is just another set of laws made up by fat white rich guys to get people to do what they want.... or wanted at the time.

That being said I do believe in a higher power. Call it whatever you want, God, Fate, Allah, nature.....I refuse to believe that everything happens by coincidence...

twinkley

VerY Good

"Religion is just another set of laws made up by fat white rich guys to get people to do what they want"

My Exact sentiments! Just another form of control ! And Yes I think there is a Higher Power, but not the one these guys are selling !!

Funbrunette 10-22-2002 04:57 PM

I think it would be pretty arrogant to not beleive in a higher being...I usually have a rule about not discussing relegion and politics. ;) I think I'll plead the fifth! :angel:

Bree 10-22-2002 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darin


Curious.. even more now looking at the poll results. Is god taboo or something? Why nobody is posting to this thread. Interesting.

okay here's my 2 cents for what it's worth...

I've said this before...

Religion is like a form of B&D.. just consider most songs, chants, etc..

You are Lord
You are the Only One
I will do as you wish
Your will is mine
I am unworthy but only say the word and I shall be yours

etc etc...

Man made words.. "inspired" by God....

I do believe in a higher power. However, I don't pretend to understand that higher power.

I think people feel safety in numbers. It is easier to express your opinion if that opinion is shared by a group... easier to oppress others and wag your finger at those you think are wrong.
Easier to be a martyr.

There is for some people, comfort and security in the "known." By establishing rituals, group events, and such you establish routine.. safe, known guidelines and morals... The responsibility of knowing God is shared and one can blindly follow along.

It's much more challenging to question what is presented as fact. To determine what God is on a more personal basis as opposed to group thought.

I go to church on occasion. But I don't need to be in church to converse with my God. I don't need a priest to act as my conduit to a higer power.

The way I treat my neighbors, friends, and family are part of my personal relationship with my God. I may not tithe at every Sunday's offereing b/c I believe that helping people in my life is just as important. When a fellow instructor's parents died and he had to fly back to Uganda, I sent a donation to help with expenses..... When my daughter asks for money to go on a field trip, I send two or three times that amount to pay for the kids who don't have money ... so everyone can go.

The Bible has many authors from many different cultures and periods. Is it the word of God? I dunno.. It was inspired writing... written from the heart no doubt...

Bottom line I think is how you live your life, how you love your family and friends, how you treat others.. how you treat yourself!!

JMHO :angel:

Tobbe 10-22-2002 05:38 PM

I believe i am GOD.

ric knows nina 10-22-2002 05:44 PM

God doesn't exist in the way people have tried to explain it. It can't be communicated as well as it can be experienced. I have a definite sense of God. God, I hate using that word God.

We are the big and the little cheese. We are caught in something very big, part of some substance we don't get completely. But I have NO doubt.

Funbrunette, you're right it. It would be arrogant to not think something higher than us exists, or that we are higher than what we think. Like people who got surprised and excited when we found microscopic cells on Mars... "There's life in other places besides earth?" well of course, life is life and it is everywhere.

subjectively realizing that you are responsible for checking your own ego helps make more god for everyone. I got a trademark on that too :bonk:

Magnus3x 10-22-2002 06:03 PM

Quote:

I think it would be pretty arrogant to not beleive in a higher being
I hear that alot and it's never really explained as to why it would be an arrogant thought. It may be arrogant to someone who believes in a "higher being". Are we alone in this Universe.. I don't think we are.. is there life after death? I certainly think there is.

I think it's way more arrogant to push something on someone and claim they will be "damned" if they don't do this...this...and this.

I agree religion is a stay away topic though, everyone is different in what they believe in. I respect everyones beliefs and I would never say anything against another persons beliefs, sad I don't get the same respect.
When I get visitors at my door I always tell them right off the bat, I wont buy anything but I would like to hear what you have to say. I may engage in topic and I always thank them for their time:)

LadySharlot 10-22-2002 07:04 PM

I believe that I need to be the best person that I can.

I believe that there is a higher power, but he doesn't live within the four walls of a building.

I believe that "Tolerance" is a goal in which many preach but few actually do. THAT is the one religion I try to maintain myself. :) I try to be tolerant of others, their beliefs.

I would say a lot more...but I REALLY don't want to go there. :D

Huggs!
Lady Sharlot :-)

AWolf 10-22-2002 08:49 PM

Yes this is a taboo subject. It is also one that sets me off and not care who I offend. As to the original question. Absolutely not. I'm assuming the question is being asked from a Christian pov. I have nothing but contempt for Christianity. The deal the early church made with the Emperor of Rome was to adjust church doctrine to match that of the Imperial cult in exchange for becoming the official Church of Rome. All of that sexual repression, women are property, obedience to the father (incidentally, a father in Ancient Rome could order a retroactive abortion of any of his children regardless of age or marital status), and so on is pure Ancient Roman family values. The Church became a tool of government to keep the population in line. The concept of humans going to hell never appeared in Christian literature until the 1600s. It was introduced to try to put a stop to the Reformation. The epitome of hypocrisy, the Protestants fully embraced the concept of hell because it is such a wonderful tool to keep a population in line. The Pope was saying "do what I say or you will go to hell" and the Protestants were saying "listen to the Pope and you will go to hell." The writings of the New Testament were inspired by social engineers, not a deity.

ric knows nina 10-22-2002 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magnus3x


I think it's way more arrogant to push something on someone and claim they will be "damned" if they don't do this...this...and this.


You are right, and that's why politics and religion are not two seperate entities. They stabilize each other. Religion can and has been used to dominate and control.

I don't claim to know what the deal is, and I would never try to make someone else believe what I do. I like subjective interpretations of life. Add them together and maybe you got something.

The best place to look for god is far away from religion.

Zebra 10-23-2002 02:53 AM

The question is, does he believe in ME!?!

twinkley 10-23-2002 09:56 AM

Bree,

I agree, people are more comfortable expessing themselves when they are not alone in their beliefs...

However, I think "religion" over the centuries has taken that idea and warped it to benefit the people who have given themselves powere of it. I have a problem with anyone telling me that THEY KNOW what God (or whatever they choose to call the higher power) wants from you, and if you dont do what they say, you will (in the immortal words of eric cartman) "go to hell and you die!" Somehow, I have the worst time believing that god cares if we use birth control, are homosexual, or (gasp) dont go to church every sunday.

I would much rather have an informed, intelligent discussion with anyone regarding god, and their beliefs than go to church to be ranted at by someone who has a "better" connection with god than I do. Even if the person I am talking to has a completely different set of beliefs, I will listen - and voice my own opinion. The fact of the matter is everyone has a different set of beliefs - even those that congregate at the same church.

In the end, all that really matters is that you are a good person. We all know the basic differences between right and wrong and choose what we do with it.

twinkley

luke 10-23-2002 10:17 AM

I agree with Twinkly. I'm not going to say I'm a certain religion but I do believe there is something up there...what it is, I have no idea. But I'm not going to spend every second of my life worshiping it. I don't think that's what I'm here for.

Funbrunette 10-23-2002 11:50 AM

It's obvious that humans aren't the higher beings!!! Just look at what we've done and what were doing to each other!!! Wars, Sept/11, killers etc...

If evolution is the grand mechanism that has produced all natural things from a simple gas, surely this mechanism must be easily seen. It should be possible to prove its existence in a matter of weeks or days, if not hours. Yet scientists have been bombarding countless generations of fruit flies with radiation for several decades in order to show evolution in action and still have only produced ... more (deformed) fruit flies. How reasonable is it to believe that evolution is a fact when even the simplest of experiments has not been able to document it?

Then wouldn't God be our creator?


:confused:

Darin 10-23-2002 11:57 AM

First of all, someone call 911 on Tobbe, I think he is the sniper.

and..

I thought I would see some stronger opinions on this thread, but looks like everyone is being very passive and agreeable... Except for Wolf lol

It's funny how people are passive and respectful of others when it comes to religion, but they will not think twice about openly expressing their sexual lifestyle.

I think to most, someones choice of lifestyle is more offending than their belief in god/religion.

Everyones heard the rumor about a certain somebody in the office and what freaky sexual things they are into, and that causes a greater reaction that hearing that someone in the office beleives in a certain god. God certainly doesnt change the way most people do business with eachother, so I see no reason to not openly talk about it.

Im sure more people would be offended by hearing about some of the freaky, kinky shit some of us like to do in the bedroom :P

Cathedra 10-23-2002 12:07 PM

V. busy so I'm gonna make this short and sweet:

There are two things I refuse to talk about on boards, poltics and religion. I believe what I need to believe to get me though the day, and keep me positive. Whatever works for the individual whether it be God, Budha, Jah, or if you worship your own penis...whatever floats your boat! As long as you don't try to push it on anyone else or step on any toes, and it doesn't make you sacrifice any living things..it's all good!

tah dah :bonk:

Phoenix 10-23-2002 12:09 PM

howdy
 
Well i'm not very religious...never have been.

Until the other week i had never stepped foot inside of a church unless you count community service at the soup kitchen worship?

just kidding.
Truthfully though, it was my first time, and i went to an ultra catholic wedding, mixed with some celtic whatever..hope i don't offend anyone.

but it was just a little too much for me, sit down stand up, i didn't know the moves or the words. But i respect peoples right to wroship. i just don't have time for it. i try to be nice, i don't even kill bugs, i will usually throw them outside, except spiders, they all die, those bastards.
I even slow down if i'm crossing the street at the same time as an old lady so i get to the other side at the sme time, damn i'm such a boy scout...country manners...i was raised in the summer by my grandparents..
oh religion ya, whatever. try to be nice to people, dont kill anyone, dont sleep with married women...good rules to live by, there are some others, but i cant remeber them
:bonk: :bonk: :bonk:

how's that for off centre darin?

Darin 10-23-2002 12:13 PM

Re: howdy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Python_brad
Well i'm not very religious...never have been.

oh religion ya, whatever. try to be nice to people, dont kill anyone, dont sleep with married women...good rules to live by, there are some others, but i cant remeber them
:bonk: :bonk: :bonk:

how's that for off centre darin?

I refuse to believe in ANYTHING that restricts me from sleeping with married women.

ABSOLUTEY REFUSE!!!

Cyndalie 10-23-2002 12:35 PM

Simply put: God is Light. We may be they eyes God has created to see the light (or life).

I've never heard of someone going to hell because they believe in God. No harm, no foul, best to keep your mind open.

12:00 on a Wed is not time to get philosphical LOL

XXX 10-23-2002 12:45 PM

It's all bullshit.

twinkley 10-23-2002 12:59 PM

I am passive and respectful about all things.... well... most things....

okay.... some things....

Not spiders tho. They die here too Brad (I make aaron kill em, its the heroic thing to do)

twinkley

Magnus3x 10-23-2002 01:07 PM

Did hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac???

He lies in bed all night wondering if there's a dog.:D

ric knows nina 10-23-2002 02:12 PM

Darin, I'm still waiting to hear your opinions on the subject, thread starter :)
Tell us what you think.

Being Tolerant is not being passive at all. Tolerance means being proactive enough to stop yourself from attacking idiots, because you realize they have the right to be idiots. :)

Darin 10-23-2002 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ric knows nina
Darin, I'm still waiting to hear your opinions on the subject, thread starter :)
Tell us what you think.

Being Tolerant is not being passive at all. Tolerance means being proactive enough to stop yourself from attacking idiots, because you realize they have the right to be idiots. :)

I don't believe in god.

twinkley 10-23-2002 04:09 PM

So then what do you believe in? What do you believe makes stuff happen?

twinkley

Darin 10-23-2002 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twinkley
So then what do you believe in? What do you believe makes stuff happen?

twinkley

I believe in myself. ;)

Tafkap 10-23-2002 04:40 PM

One of my idol (guess who) uses to say "Love is God, God is love, Girls and Boys love God above".

I really can't agree with that so i can't say i believe in God when i see the whole mess on our planet : war, pain, food starving, epidemy... If God is love, WTF then??

I can be tolerant and i'd rather be a buddhist cause that religion doesn't force u to worship someone... and if i did have to believe in someone, it would definitely be me!!!

Peace & B Wild!



:bonk:

twinkley 10-23-2002 04:57 PM

Tafkap,

In response to all those horrible things that happen...

How would you know the good, if you didnt know the bad?

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.... this includes good/bad. If everything was eden, how would we grow as people?

twinkley

Hashishan 10-23-2002 05:11 PM

*i am an anti-religious person, and hereafter will refer to God as Dog*

silly question:
why do people think creation and evolution are incompatible? how long is a day for Dog? 24 hours, millions of years? i have asked the fat guy passing around the collection plate. he didnt know

another silly question:
is it possible that there are people in the world who are so screwed up, the only way that you can get them to be nice is to threaten those people with being burned alive for eternity? if Dog loves you will it burn you alive for being its own flawed creation?

if there is a Dog, he is a dick. if there is a hell i want to go there. i mean, if you are stuck there and it is really hot its not like you have a choice right? get over it and start fryin

see you in church on sunday (not)

(if anyone is offended by this: i am simply airing my views. if my views anger you because they do not match your own, perhaps you need to re-evaluate yourself as a person)

Bree 10-23-2002 05:24 PM

My ex is a matyr.. He thinks that whatever he says goes b/c it's said in the name of God.. he says masturbation is wrong and he thinks gays are the scourge of the earth... He's a pinhead... :twisted:


Spiders die b/c they are too pompous...and creepy..

As for someone's sexuality.. I don't make any judgements about anyone .. whatever fucking floats your boat ... .but I don't condone KP or beastiality b/c it involves parties that have no say in what happens..

As long as you live like a decent person with respect for life and nature... I think that about covers it.

:respect: :xthumbs:

ric knows nina 10-23-2002 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darin


I don't believe in god.

simple and to the point

Darin 10-23-2002 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ric knows nina


simple and to the point

I like the new avatar bro, better than the BALD you.. hehe :)

Dugmor 10-23-2002 08:53 PM

Re: Do you believe in GOD?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Darin
Well do YOU?
Yes do .......... and I believe GOD created the Fish-Hook !

http://www.joinrightnow.com/images/a.../handofgod.jpg


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